There is no midrange that we know in terms of mid range price now days. The midrange costs $250+ now days. Gone are the days where you could get mid range performance for $150.
The thing about 6600GTs costing $50 "tommorow"... it can't happen. nVidia will always have the MX cards - the 6600GT will just not be sold "tommorow". Just the same as why you cant get a Radeon9600 for $50 now.
Your comment that one should "run" to buy a 6600GT because ATI will release a competitor soon... just doesn't make sense, man! If the X800 actually "begin to edge out the 6600GT's advantage" then waiting will get you a better card, or a lower price :p Or I've misunderstood something...
I'd also like to see you consider the 6800LE cards in your guides... or aren't they available in USA? I know they're supposed to be OEM model only, but they're available in my country already.
On the ATI page where it says Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB, the card linked is the Sapphire Atlantis, a 128-bit memory card. This could present quite a few problems to people who think they're finding a 256MB 9800 Pro w/a 256-bit bus on the cheap.
I like the new setup. For me, it clears up the mid-range section of cards, somehwat. I'd like to see even cheaper cards, as well. I have no idea what the best card uis in the $90 - $120 price range - the NV 5700? Plain ATI 9600?.
I find it amazing that I bought a GF4 Ti4200 way back for $120, and I still can't purchase much of an upgrade (if at all) for the same price!
The summary of prices is largely uninteresting. What we (collectively) need is a set of X/Y plots of price/performance so we can tell where the knees are in value for the dollar. With the corpus of data that Anandtech has worked so hard to accumulate, you could provide real value for your viewers by having the instantly updated chart as prices change.
A pity the regular X700 is no where to be seen, it would make an admirable mid-range offering for PCI-E, or AGP for the matter when ATi gets the Rialto bridge ready.
Quite a bit faster then the regular GF6600, and competes pretty decently with last generations high end in the likes of the R9800.
It's interesting how slowly the low end has come along since early 2002. Even the now anicent GF4 MX can in many respects hold up quite respectably compared to current generation products marketed towards the entry level consumer graphics market.
i agree with you Cygni, i see that low end is moving cheaper VERY slowly, which is bad.
i would prefer an R9550 (not SE) then OC it to 400/250DDR at least so you get some good performance.
Price points are still way too high to justify it. The low ends price/performance is BARELY creeping forward. I bought a Radeon 8500 for $80 YEARS ago... and after a very mild overclock, it holds its own perfectly well, often BEATING, the cards at that point now... 5700LE's, 9550's, low end 9600's... its ridiculous! They just ADD new price points when they add cards. The high end gets higher and higher... the "middle" moves to $150-200... and the low doesnt move at all. Old cards dont get cheaper, they just vanish.
I'm with Questar. It seems it's not just me that thinks the guides were better beforehand when you listed everything. Remember, not everyone uses Firefox, nor wishes to.
Does anyone know if the 6600 nonGT is coming out in AGP flavour? I think I heard that Nvidia wont be bridging it but I thought I read somewhere that a 3rd party might.
On page 2, paragraph 6, "On the AGP platform...". I think you mean PCIe platform. I think an interesting addition to this piece would be a chart with Anandtech's recommendation at specific price points.
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Staples - Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - link
There is no midrange that we know in terms of mid range price now days. The midrange costs $250+ now days. Gone are the days where you could get mid range performance for $150.lsman - Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - link
read x800 will replace x700xt (stop production)Visual - Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - link
The thing about 6600GTs costing $50 "tommorow"... it can't happen. nVidia will always have the MX cards - the 6600GT will just not be sold "tommorow". Just the same as why you cant get a Radeon9600 for $50 now.Your comment that one should "run" to buy a 6600GT because ATI will release a competitor soon... just doesn't make sense, man! If the X800 actually "begin to edge out the 6600GT's advantage" then waiting will get you a better card, or a lower price :p Or I've misunderstood something...
I'd also like to see you consider the 6800LE cards in your guides... or aren't they available in USA? I know they're supposed to be OEM model only, but they're available in my country already.
stncttr908 - Tuesday, December 7, 2004 - link
On the ATI page where it says Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB, the card linked is the Sapphire Atlantis, a 128-bit memory card. This could present quite a few problems to people who think they're finding a 256MB 9800 Pro w/a 256-bit bus on the cheap.kmmatney - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
I like the new setup. For me, it clears up the mid-range section of cards, somehwat. I'd like to see even cheaper cards, as well. I have no idea what the best card uis in the $90 - $120 price range - the NV 5700? Plain ATI 9600?.I find it amazing that I bought a GF4 Ti4200 way back for $120, and I still can't purchase much of an upgrade (if at all) for the same price!
bob661 - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
Has anyone OC'd the 6600GT? How high is it OCing?bob661 - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
I like the new setup. Plus, when were mainstream cards less than $200? During the TNT2 days?Grettir - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
The summary of prices is largely uninteresting. What we (collectively) need is a set of X/Y plots of price/performance so we can tell where the knees are in value for the dollar. With the corpus of data that Anandtech has worked so hard to accumulate, you could provide real value for your viewers by having the instantly updated chart as prices change.Questar - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
Kristopher,Yes there was a coupon involved, I think it was for 30% off.
wyrmrider - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
my son got an nvidia 6800gt for around 200 + tak at comp usawhy no 6800 in roundup??
wyrmrider
KristopherKubicki - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
Questar: The lowest I have sen it for is $310, did you use coupons?Kristopher
Rand - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
A pity the regular X700 is no where to be seen, it would make an admirable mid-range offering for PCI-E, or AGP for the matter when ATi gets the Rialto bridge ready.Quite a bit faster then the regular GF6600, and competes pretty decently with last generations high end in the likes of the R9800.
It's interesting how slowly the low end has come along since early 2002. Even the now anicent GF4 MX can in many respects hold up quite respectably compared to current generation products marketed towards the entry level consumer graphics market.
Questar - Monday, December 6, 2004 - link
Kristopher,Dell. I just checked before posting this and they appear to be out of them.
JustAnAverageGuy - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
#6" Remember, not everyone uses Firefox, nor wishes to."
A good point.
Opera is still a great alternative to IE. :) Better than FF too.
XT2k - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
i agree with you Cygni, i see that low end is moving cheaper VERY slowly, which is bad.i would prefer an R9550 (not SE) then OC it to 400/250DDR at least so you get some good performance.
XT2k - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
I think the best one for the buck is X800 XL 110nm R430, MSRP $350!Cygni - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
Price points are still way too high to justify it. The low ends price/performance is BARELY creeping forward. I bought a Radeon 8500 for $80 YEARS ago... and after a very mild overclock, it holds its own perfectly well, often BEATING, the cards at that point now... 5700LE's, 9550's, low end 9600's... its ridiculous! They just ADD new price points when they add cards. The high end gets higher and higher... the "middle" moves to $150-200... and the low doesnt move at all. Old cards dont get cheaper, they just vanish.KristopherKubicki - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
Questar: A X800SE for $155? Where??? I recommended the 6600 Non-GT for the midrange PCIe, 9600XT for midrange AGP.Degrador - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
I'm with Questar. It seems it's not just me that thinks the guides were better beforehand when you listed everything. Remember, not everyone uses Firefox, nor wishes to.Questar - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
Crappy guide, where's the midrange?I snagged a X800se for $155 that overclocks to 500/800. That's faster that a 9800XT for $60 less.
jimmy43 - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
Does anyone know if the 6600 nonGT is coming out in AGP flavour? I think I heard that Nvidia wont be bridging it but I thought I read somewhere that a 3rd party might.mongoosesRawesome - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
And this was supposed to demystify video cards for us?jensend - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
This seems to be the "Upper Midrange to Ultra High-End Video Cards Price Guide".SilkySmooth - Sunday, December 5, 2004 - link
On page 2, paragraph 6, "On the AGP platform...". I think you mean PCIe platform. I think an interesting addition to this piece would be a chart with Anandtech's recommendation at specific price points.